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I recently volunteered to make five detailed blog posts on things people wanted to know about the Toby universe, and provided a dedicated thread for them to make their suggestions. While these posts will not be specifically spoiler-y for published books, they will provide background material on the universe, and can be viewed as part of my functional canon. This is the third such post.

[livejournal.com profile] cbpotts says, "One wonders who keeps all the stories of the fae; have they historians or sociologists or a league appointed to keep track of a vaguely accurate record of everything important. It can't possibly be all word-of-mouth; there are too many people and it's too complex. So which of the Fae keep track of the rest of it?"

Ah, the fascinating life of the archivist and historian. I actually mean this—fae historians are more Indiana Jones than small-town librarian a lot of the time, since their books really can get pissed off and rewrite themselves, or turn you into stone, and sometimes, you really do lose entire libraries for three hundred years due to a don't-look-here charm gone horribly wrong. Sure, there's also a lot of time spent cataloging and filing things, but your job, really more fraught with peril than the average small-town librarian's (statement not universal to all small towns; Buckley, I'm looking at you...).

Every fae kingdom has a Library. Yes, with a capital-L; Libraries are a big, big deal. They're not affiliated with the local crown, and are instead considered neutral ground, answering only to Oberon...which means that for several hundred years now, they've been answering to nobody at all. That means that the filing has gotten a little lax, and there are a lot of uncollected overdue fines. Since the Libraries are considered neutral ground, they're often the subject of resentment from the local nobility, and with Oberon missing, that means they're also unprotected by anything beyond their own security. Most of them have gotten really picky about who they issue library cards to.

Most archivists, historians, and librarians apprentice to or even Foster with the Library itself when still young, being literally raised to the craft. Others come to it late in life, since the neutral status of the Libraries makes them the perfect place to flee for sanctuary. More than a few fae criminals have found second lives for themselves inside the Libraries, where as long as they follow the rules, they will be allowed to shelve books and transcribe manuscripts until they decide to go back outside and face the music. The Libraries are allowed to deal with their own as they see fit...which does include violations of the Law. So those who seek sanctuary with the librarians had better really, really mean it.

Traveling historians are generally considered untouchable, even by local nobles who would happily burn the Libraries themselves down if they thought they could get away with it. The fear of Oberon and his frequently rather heavy-handed enforcement of the rules hasn't gotten any weaker as time has gone by. Most historians are aware that this is a tenuous respect, and don't do anything to endanger it—basically, no one wants to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes the Kings and Queens to start testing the neutrality of the Libraries.

Periodically, Libraries will disappear, either due to natural disaster, someone "accidentally" dropping a match, or because they're anchored in Faerie, and Faerie is not a reliably predictable place. Sometimes they reappear again later. Other times, they don't. Some Libraries are hidden so well that they've basically disappeared, unless you know a guy who knows a guy who knows someone who has a library card. The Library in the Kingdom of the Mists is one of the missing ones; it was last seen during the reign of King Gilad. No one's really gone looking for it. Libraries are problematic, as they tend to maintain records, and records have an unpleasant habit of telling truths people don't want told.

The Library of the Kingdom of the Mists is called the House of Stars, for reasons that no one save for maybe the Librarians who work there can really explain. Assuming you can, you know, find them. The Head Librarian when the place when missing was a Puca named Magdaleana Brooke. The odds are decent that if the place still exists, she's still in charge. Without Oberon around to intervene, no new Library will be opened in the Mists to take its place.

And that's Libraries and archives. Any follow-up questions?

Date: 2011-02-12 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsittingstill.livejournal.com
Cool.

So is working for a library one way of getting a library card?

I wonder what errands a library might want run. Or whether they don't want people associated with the library going Out because something might follow them Back.

Date: 2011-02-12 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Working for a Library is one of the best, most reliable ways of getting a library card.

They tend to be a little hesitant about letting the Librarians out these days, because they might not come back again; that's happened often enough that the ones who are still around tend to be a little, well, twitchy. (Also, those who are in the Library claiming sanctuary may not want to go outside and get arrested.) Common errands include book exchanges, looking for new manuscripts, and buying sandwiches.

Date: 2011-02-12 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsittingstill.livejournal.com
Heck, I wish *I* could get a job working for the Library :-)

I wonder if different libraries ever compete to get their hands on new manuscripts or even try to steal books from each other.

Risky business, of course, if the books are happy right where they are thanks, and hey! you smell wrong! Growlhisschomp!

Date: 2011-02-12 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Since the Libraries answer only to Oberon, and he generally lets them settle things between themselves if no one brings a formal complaint against anyone else...yeah, raids happen. So do inter-Library exchanges of personnel, and, in at least one case, spouses. It's a whole thing.

Date: 2011-02-12 02:28 am (UTC)
danceswithlife: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danceswithlife
That was...fascinating. **ponders applying to work in a fae library**

I hope somewhere in the series we get to see fae libraries.

Date: 2011-02-12 04:24 am (UTC)
danceswithlife: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danceswithlife
yea!!!

Date: 2011-02-15 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alethea-eastrid.livejournal.com
*happy squeak*

Date: 2011-02-12 02:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
*is in love with the Libraries, obviously*

Date: 2011-02-12 03:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-12 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griffen.livejournal.com
Libraries are problematic, as they tend to maintain records, and records have an unpleasant habit of telling truths people don't want told.

This? Is freaking spot-on!

Date: 2011-02-12 03:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-12 02:44 am (UTC)
ceitfianna: (lost in a library)
From: [personal profile] ceitfianna
As a future librarian, I love this. These posts are a real treat.

Date: 2011-02-12 03:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-12 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitrinlu.livejournal.com
I want to live in a Fae library! XD

Date: 2011-02-12 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
It's dangerous, but fulfilling.

Date: 2011-02-12 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moongirli.livejournal.com
Fantastic question and fantastic answer. (As a Librarian, I occasionally wish it was more Indiana Jones and less screaming children, but it's honestly pretty awesome as is.)

That said, what qualifies one to be a Librarian? How are they chosen, or trained, et cetera?

Date: 2011-02-12 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
That depends on the Library. A lot of them just sort of show up one day, start working, and never leave. Some go to mortal schools for Library Science degrees, since there's nothing like that in Faerie.

Date: 2011-02-12 04:26 am (UTC)
danceswithlife: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danceswithlife
Hm. Hope this isn't spoilerish...maybe ALH could get the libraries online :-)

Date: 2011-02-14 08:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-12 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookblather.livejournal.com
...I have a question. Where does one apply?

Date: 2011-02-12 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragondances.livejournal.com
Seconded!

I work in a real library, but I'd trade it in a second to work in one of these!

Date: 2011-02-14 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Sadly, the applications office is currently missing.

Date: 2011-02-12 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sheistheweather
I love these libraries. Brilliant.

Date: 2011-02-12 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
I really love the idea of Libraries as sanctuary, it resonates on a deep level with me. Although I suspect that the fae ones may not always be quite as quiet as a librarian might wish...

Date: 2011-02-12 12:54 pm (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
Oook.

Date: 2011-02-14 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Yeah, the explosions and screaming are bugs, not features.

Date: 2011-02-12 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormsdotter.livejournal.com
Do Bards fit into the Library complex in any way, or are they their own separate entities with their own rules?

Date: 2011-02-14 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
There actually is no current organized fae bardic system.

Date: 2011-02-14 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormsdotter.livejournal.com
That sounds like a Story Idea--wait, no, I have my own stuff to write! Bad plotbunnies, no biscuit!

Date: 2011-02-14 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Please remember that you can never ever ever EVER tell me, ever, if you're writing fanfic.

Date: 2011-02-14 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormsdotter.livejournal.com
It's cool, I neither read nor write fanfic. It's just not my thing. I also fail at writing short stories. I just remembered Misty Lackey's Leslac stories and my mind started wandering into an alternate universe where we learn where the stories we tell ourselves got mixed up in the first place.

And I'm some would argue that writing a follow-up novel to my great-grand uncle's stories is fanfic.

Date: 2011-02-12 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vincentursus.livejournal.com
I am left thinking that the hypothetical Toby-verse RPG should include Librarians as a character class / archetype / template.

I'm also reminded of a poster with the caption "They got the Library at Alexandria, they won't get mine."

My Library Science degree is mostly unused allowing me to keep a rather romantic view of the profession.

Date: 2011-02-14 08:17 pm (UTC)

The best job I ever had ...

Date: 2011-02-13 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filceolaire.livejournal.com
was the controls for the British Museum Great Court including the British Library Reading room refurbishment.

Back when Karl Marx and Sherlock Holmes used this you had to apply for a readers card which would entitle you to look at books in the Reading room but didn't let you take them out of the building.

Back then the reading room was surrounded by the book stacks - a 4 story tall labyrinth of book shelves filling the entire courtyard in the middle of the British Museum.

The Reading room is still there. We managed to make it look pretty much like it was just less smoke stained and better lit. These days it houses the British museum's library and an exhibition telling it's history. The book stacks are gone to the new British Library, in Kings Cross, and in their place the Reading room is now surrounded by the British Museum Great Court.

I see the Fae library being a bit like the old Reading room. Most of the documents are one-of-a-kind originals. You can borrow one to copy (is there a photocopier now or do you still need to employ a scribe to copy it by hand?) but you can't take it away. Actually this is sounding more like a medieval Irish monkish scriptorium. Look up the Battle of Cúl Dreimhne (561 AD) for what the monks would do if they caught you copying a book without permission.

Re: The best job I ever had ...

Date: 2011-02-14 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
That's a very good comparison.

Date: 2015-08-10 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ashbet
Amusingly, if you search for that without quotes, Google thinks you're looking for the phrase "cool dream home."

I mean, living in a library (or a Library!) is basically a dream of mine, but... ;)

Date: 2011-02-13 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mythusmage.livejournal.com
Are the libraries physically (and metaphysically) distinct entities, or do they tend to blend into each other in the further reaches of the stacks?

If the latter, has an orangutang been spotted perusing the stacks?

Date: 2011-02-14 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
They are all totally distinct.

Date: 2011-02-13 10:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] phantom_wolfboy
The reign of King Gilad was how long ago?

Date: 2011-02-14 09:24 pm (UTC)
phantom_wolfboy: picture of me (Default)
From: [personal profile] phantom_wolfboy
Thank you.

Date: 2011-02-14 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drcpunk.livejournal.com
Ever read the manga Library Wars?
Edited Date: 2011-02-14 06:39 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-15 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drcpunk.livejournal.com
I decided to stop following it after the first volume, which I either gave away or sold to a second hand bookstore, I forget which. But there's a military division within libraries in some vague future setting, and it fights to acquire books and protect them from government censors.

Date: 2011-02-15 03:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-14 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antinomic.livejournal.com
We see the library in book 7. Oberon's domain. Hmmm, I'm now thinking management may be coming to visit. Maybe the whole Fae trinity returns? Can't have just one of them, can we? I'll bet they don't get charged for any overdue books!

Date: 2011-02-14 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
You are totally off-base, but guessing is fun, isn't it?

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