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I recently volunteered to make five detailed blog posts on things people wanted to know about the Toby universe, and provided a dedicated thread for them to make their suggestions. While these posts will not be specifically spoiler-y for published books, they will provide background material on the universe, and can be viewed as part of my functional canon. This is the first such post.

Quoth [livejournal.com profile] seawench:

"What are the rules for fostering fae children like Quentin? How long do they have to stay? Do the fae families get anything in return? If children are so precious, why would parents give them up for extended periods? Do fae families ever foster changelings, or do they only foster purebloods? Are fae parents more likely to foster children with another fae race, or within their own?"

Fosterage! I love fae fosterage. Basically, it's the system via which fae children, especially the children of fae nobles, can be shipped off to live with other households for a certain period of time. There are five basic types of fosterage: Educational, Economic, Exchange, Protective, and Control. To complicate things a bit further, there are two styles of fosterage: Open, and Blind. The types of fosterage break down as follows.

* Educational. You're shipping a kid off to learn something he or she couldn't learn at home, whether that's "how to deal with living near the ocean," "how to handle a large mortal population," or "how they do it in the Kingdom of Silences." Most fosters in the equivalent of their teens are sent out for educational reasons. The general consensus in Faerie is that the young are better at learning to adapt to extreme situations; children are expected to get the bulk of their education before they reach maturity. After that, they may apprentice to a trade, but that's learning specialized things, not general "how the world works." Many, if not most, noble children will be sent on an educational fosterage if they're expected to inherit someday, because they need to learn to deal with people outside their home fiefdom.

* Economic. You can't afford to keep your child properly, either because you literally don't have the resources, or because you do some sort of job that doesn't allow for childrearing (sailors, soldiers, some specialized diplomatic positions). It's considered lucky and important to have a child, even if they don't live with you, and some fae have used the proof of fertility represented by an economic fosterage to further their positions in life. It is extremely rare for an economic foster to be returned to his or her original parents, and some will even be adopted by the families which foster them. When changelings are fostered, it is almost always for economic reasons, and they are almost always taken by families who are already fostering one or more pureblooded children. This provides playmates for the purebloods, without the necessity of stealing babies from the mortal world (historically popular, currently frowned upon).

* Exchange. You give me one, I give you one. Exchange fosterages are rare, simply because they require two households of relatively equal social standing to have children of approximately the same age. In cases where this occurs, the children will be swapped for a pre-determined period of time, allowing for the creation of an educational fosterage with the additional benefit of strengthening ties between the households.

* Protective. There is a reasonably good chance your household is about to be wiped out for political reasons. Your fiefdom has just gone to war. There's a dragon in your backyard. For whatever reason, your kids are no longer safe, and need to be shipped off to live somewhere else until they can be sure nothing's going to eat them back home. Protective fosterages can be very short, lasting only a few weeks. They can also turn unintentionally permanent.

* Control. Nobles will sometimes insist that the children of those lesser nobles within their domain come and live with them as fosters for a certain period of time. This does a lot to keep the lesser nobility from rebelling. It's also the most miserable type of fosterage, and sometimes backfires, as some fae parents will decide to go ahead and rebel anyway, since they have nothing left to lose.

Multiple types of fosterage can be combined, with educational/exchange and educational/protective being the most common. The styles of fosterage are somewhat simpler:

* Open. "This is Carl, the son of Bob and Marsha. He'll be staying with us for a little while."

* Blind. "This is Suzy. She lives here now."

The only type of fosterage that can't be blind is control, since you tend to lose control when you don't tell anyone whose kid you've got there. Quentin is on a blind educational fosterage; he's stated several times that he's in Shadowed Hills to learn, and no one seems to know who his parents are. There can be a lot of reasons for that, ranging from "his parents are criminals" to "his parents have a lot of enemies" to "we just don't want people sucking up to him because of who his family is." Shadowed Hills is a generally ill-regarded Duchy, since it tends to be modernist, so it's most likely to be one of the former, although nobody knows for sure except, presumably, Sylvester.

The length of a fosterage is set by both the parents and the foster parents, and can range from "until I can come to get him" to "until she reaches maturity." Declaring someone as your foster makes you legally responsible for them, and releases their biological parents from that responsibility, until the fosterage has been dissolved. A foster parent can't dissolve the fosterage unless the child does something so incredibly bad that they have no choice; abandoning a foster without really, really good reason is considered the height of impropriety, and the fae care a lot about such things.

Fae families can be compensated for fostering a child/allowing their children to be fostered in a variety of ways, ranging from reputation ("My child is fostered with the High King") to improved marriage prospects ("My son is being fostered by the family of the girl he's going to marry") to not being invaded ("My daughter, um, isn't here anymore..."). Some families are compensated financially; this usually happens with the parents of changelings whose children are being essentially purchased to be playmates for purebloods.

Fae parents give up their children for many of the same reasons humans do. They want them to have better lives; they want them to have good educations; they want them to be safe; they don't have a choice in the matter.

Most fosters are sent to live with families of a race that is the same as, or closely related to, their own. This is by no means universal, but it's considered "the norm." Daoine Sidhe will almost never choose foster parents who aren't also Daoine Sidhe, while Gremlins will foster to anyone who owns a forge and doesn't mind being asked a lot of questions.

Speaking of questions...are there any follow-up questions on fosterage? No spoilers, please.

Date: 2011-02-09 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravenclawed.livejournal.com
Gremlins will foster to anyone who owns a forge and doesn't mind being asked a lot of questions.

Gremlin kids sound like fun.

Thank you for going into more details about fostering. I always love hearing more about Toby's world.
Edited Date: 2011-02-09 10:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-09 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymurmur.livejournal.com
I, too, came away thinking that Gremlin kids sound like fun! I want to know more about Gremlins! :-)

Thanks for the details on fostering. The various statements exemplifying the different styles or conditions of fostering are really helpful. Also, for some reason "This is Suzy. She lives here now" had me giggling.

Date: 2011-02-10 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ailsa-cf.livejournal.com
I liked the Suzy part too :-)

Date: 2011-02-10 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
You'll meet one eventually! Danny's mechanic is a Gremlin. Her name is Connie. She's hazardous to your health.

Date: 2011-02-10 04:24 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: A gnome with huge, black ponytails (Warcrack - Caroline)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
This makes me think that if Gremlins, or Gremlin changlings, play MMORPGs, they play Goblins and Gnomes in World of Warcraft. And they giggle when things go boom.

Date: 2011-02-10 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
...I have no idea, having never played WoW?

Date: 2011-02-10 11:40 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: A blood elf with a netherdrake whelp sitting on her head. (Warcrack - Emria and her dragon)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
It can be a huge time sink, so this is probably a good thing. But if you ever need a WoW reference from someone, totally gnome or goblin. O;>

Date: 2011-02-10 03:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-09 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firynze.livejournal.com
SQUEE, I think I'm going to enjoy this series of posts! I've always loved the fosterage system, inasmuch as I know of what applied to, you know, human families in the middle ages and in various courtly cultures, and I've had seeds of ideas about fae fosterage and changeling protocol floating about my head for yonks now.

Date: 2011-02-10 03:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-09 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
Wow. Really wow. I love this sort of background stuff, and you have it wonderfully worked out. It's the stuff I think of as "in-universe nonfiction".

Date: 2011-02-10 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I am incapable of not knowing such things.

Date: 2011-02-10 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
But you are also capable of putting it down in such a way that we know it and more importantly so that I believe it. I love reading "in-universe nonfiction" because it make me feel that it's real (I generally believe anything in books by good consistent writers, that they exist but not in 'my' universe).

Date: 2011-02-10 07:40 pm (UTC)
sheistheweather: (I-Believe-In-Faeries)
From: [personal profile] sheistheweather
I like this term: "in-universe non-fiction".

Date: 2011-02-09 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joecoustic.livejournal.com
How cool!!! Thanks for the background info, both to the series and your process. :)

Date: 2011-02-10 03:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-09 11:51 pm (UTC)
beccastareyes: Image of Sam from LotR. Text: loyal (Default)
From: [personal profile] beccastareyes
Changling fosters -- how are they picked, other than asking around if anyone you know has any of the right age and is willing? You mention that kids are Important in fae society, so I imagine that you don't want just anyone being your foster kid's playmates, but how does that map when picking out changling economic-fosters?

Date: 2011-02-10 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Changeling kids are much more common than purebloods, and that makes it possible to sort of, well, "go shopping." How polite people are about it depends on how modernist your fiefdom is.

There is nothing in the Law that says you can't steal changeling children just like you'd steal human ones, once they've gone through the Choice.

Date: 2011-02-10 11:42 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: An egyptian-inspired eye, centered between feathered wings. (Default)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
I need to re-read the Choice segment(s) again, because that may spark a question, or I may have blanked on a crucial piece of data that answers it preemptively.

Date: 2011-02-10 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I'll take connected questions, but I'm not taking any additional big questions at this time.

Date: 2011-02-10 07:42 pm (UTC)
sheistheweather: (I-Believe-In-Faeries)
From: [personal profile] sheistheweather
So, if the Changeling makes the choice toward the human side rather than the fae side, can that changeling child then be stolen as a foster, or are they always killed?

Date: 2011-02-10 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swevene.livejournal.com
Awesome! It's so interesting to learn the background stuff that doesn't get directly mentioned in the novels. Thank you for posting this!

Date: 2011-02-10 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I'm helping!

Date: 2011-02-10 12:36 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
Ooh, intriguing! It hadn't previously occurred to me that there might be something MYSTERIOUS and FASCINATING about Quentin's parentage. (And no, I'm not asking for spoilers. I want to read the book with the answer instead!)

Date: 2011-02-10 03:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-10 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvertwi.livejournal.com
I know this is off topic, but I was wondering *where* people got the Wicked Girls icons? I remember a post...at some point...but I don't have the time to search through the sheer volume of posts you put up, Seanan, and I don't see it on your website.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can point me in the right direction!

Date: 2011-02-10 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
They were made by my darling [livejournal.com profile] talkstowolves, and can be found right here (http://talkstowolves.livejournal.com/65167.html).

I should probably talk to her about making some more...

Date: 2011-02-10 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenjen4280.livejournal.com
As a reader, I really appreciate it when an author goes the extra mile to fully realize the world in which they're writing. It definitely shows in the work and enriches the experience of reading the book.

So, thanks for working through the details and making the Toby books that much more fun!

Date: 2011-02-10 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Very welcome!

Date: 2011-02-10 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mythusmage.livejournal.com
Actually, I think blind fosterage is more like this. . .

Blind: This is Suzy. She used to be normal up until 2 years old, but then she changed. We think it's autism, but the experts say if she is autistic, it's a type of autism unlike anything they've seen before. She can change the channels on the tv without using the remote.

Date: 2011-02-10 04:49 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-10 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhyolight04.livejournal.com

Seaman, if you haven't read midnight riot,aka The rivers of London, you have a happy couple of hours ahead. Reminiscent of Felix Castor books without being a clone, it has a decent funny intelligent narrator and fine supporting characters with attitude problems. Plot's a little weird but I will read it again for the pleasure of their company. And author mentions My Little Pony, which I didn't know they had in England.
My love to Thomas and the rest of you.

Date: 2011-02-10 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Huh. Okay. I'll add it to the pile, which currently weighs more than I do.

England not only got Ponies, they got different Ponies.

Date: 2011-02-10 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sageautumn.livejournal.com
This reminds me I have a question about kids in general... I need to find/look at your FAQ to make sure it's not already been asked though!

As someone else said, I love the "in-world non-fiction"!

Date: 2011-02-11 01:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-11 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seawench.livejournal.com
Hmm.. So there is something mysterious about Quentin's family after all! I rather thought there might be. Now I have things to ponder.

This is awesome. The world-building is one of the main things I talk about when recommending your books. Even when the details aren't in the text, it's clear that you know them.

Date: 2011-02-12 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
The mystery could just be "who'd be stupid enough to trust their kid to Shadowed Hills," which implies crime or poverty in their background.

I'm glad you're enjoying these posts!

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