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Once again, people have started asking "Why can't people outside the US buy the e-book edition of X?" (In this case, X = any given work that is unavailable in a specific region. Most often Blackout, since it's new, and "Countdown," since it currently lacks a physical edition, but almost everything has fallen into this category at one point or another.)

The answer is pretty simple.

Basically, when I sign a contract with a publisher, they acquire certain territorial rights. This is distinct from my copyrights, which are always mine and never sold. DAW owns the World rights for Toby and InCryptid. Orbit owns the World English rights for Newsflesh. DAW and Orbit may then sublicense these rights to other publishers in other regions (or territories), which is how you get things like Winterfluch and Feed: Viruszone (German editions of Rosemary and Rue and Feed, respectively).

The pieces I have sold to the Orbit Short Fiction Program ("Apocalypse Scenario #683" and "Countdown") were sold under a contract which, at present, covers only US territorial rights, which means that my publisher can't make those properties available outside the United States right now. They aren't allowed. And buying the rights for every possible market, in every possible region, is not always financially feasible with every work they publish.

It is also not always financially feasible for an author to sell all the rights to their work in every territory to the US publisher. Keeping World rights may mean a lower advance, but when I do retain those rights, I can ultimately earn more for them by selling them directly to foreign publishers. I want you to have and read my books in your preferred format, but I also want to pay my bills, and foreign rights sales enable me to do that reliably.

Orbit is working on making the short fiction pieces available outside the US; if you check the Short Fiction landing page, they note the problem exists, and that they're looking for a solution. Under my most recent contract with them, they now have the right to sell or license English language editions outside the US, which means that you'll hopefully be able to read it soon.

It's mildly annoying that it works this way, just like it sucks when I can't get the British or Australian TV shows I want on the right region format immediately. At the same time, this is how I keep the lights on, and how my publishers keep being able to do what they do.

ETA: This post has been pretty dramatically revised, following some clarification from smarter people than me. So if some of the comments seem to make no sense compared to the content of the entry, that's why. Sorry to confuse!

Date: 2012-05-10 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
Interesting post. Some questions if I may...

"No more books translated into your local language"
Why would English ebooks affect translations?

If the foreign (English) rights market collapsed, wouldn't that make the global rights worth more? Or doesn't it work that way?

Do you see things as shifting as avid readers grow to prefer ebooks?

(Myself as an example, I really I don't ever need or want a printed novel. Not ever. There's no room in the house, and actually my kindle is more convenient. If I can't have the ebook, then I'll probably get a used copy via Amazon and the author and publisher get nothing. (If I was comfortable with it, many ebooks are available as illegal downloads, which is worse for you guys).)

Date: 2012-05-10 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Say Bob and Sue both publish in France. Bob publishes English-language ebooks; Sue publishes French translations, both physical and electronic. Both Bob and Sue know that ebooks are the future, and that due to readers like yourself embracing the new digital world, that's where the long-term profit is.

Bob is able to publish his English ebook in France immediately, because he needs no translation services. The percentage of the market that wants to read the book and can read English buys it. This is 40% of Sue's potential market. Now, with a maximum of 60% of her projected market available to her, why would Sue go to the trouble and expense of a translation?

Not all avid readers prefer ebooks, and honestly, that's a question for greater minds than mine. I'm just trying to keep the lights on and feed my cats while living in a very expensive country that doesn't provide me with guaranteed medical care.

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Date: 2012-05-10 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
It is a shame that, for the english-customer territories, there's not a way for publishers to have limited-duration "halfsies" deals of some kind, for ebooks -- i.e., something that gives the author the advance/royalties needed to pay the bills, something that gives the original pixel-producer a cut, and something that gives the partner-publisher a cut without necessarily having to produce a dead-trees book immediately. (I know a small press which often produces PDFs first, and only produces dead-trees versions of those PDFs after the PDF has essentially paid for its print run.)

So it'd be a case of "sell UK Publisher X a year of partnered, shared royalties with US Publisher Y, with an option on the paper rights," say...

Be tricky. There'd be contract-tweedling from three sides (each publisher + author). Be nice for readers, though.

Date: 2012-05-10 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Maybe, maybe not; see my Bob and Sue parable above. I think it would begin the process of killing translations. And you have no idea how badly I want UK editions of my books. I don't want the US edition shoved into their market; I want a UK edition.

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Date: 2012-05-10 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
(In the UK, you can get Feed at Waterstones, and Toby at Forbidden Planet. Guess which has a higher random browser rate?)
Is it Forbidden Planet?

Edited Date: 2012-05-10 06:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-10 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I love you, doofus.

Date: 2012-05-10 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkitty.livejournal.com
That's odd, I definitely got a Toby book at Waterstones.

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Date: 2012-05-10 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
Just to let you know-I received an email from Barnes and Noble yesterday asking me to review my recent purchase. Trouble is, it was Blackout and it's not out yet--I don't have a copy, either, it's not an early release or anything. I ordered the e-book which will download to my e-reader on May 22, the official release date.

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Date: 2012-05-11 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] almeda.livejournal.com
My copy arrived on the 9th. I was excited until I was confused (when I compared arrival/'release' dates).

Also from B&N.

Date: 2012-05-10 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippypaul.livejournal.com
Very kind of you to take the time to explain it so clearly. I continue to await May 22 as well.

Date: 2012-05-10 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Happy to help.

Date: 2012-05-10 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-en-route.livejournal.com
*sigh* New Zealand's got the worst of both worlds no local publishers (we piggy-back off Australia) and books are naturally import expensive (I can buy a new audiobook off audible for the same price as a paperback that's been out for a year and hardbacks can top $50).

It's definitely not an ideal situation (it is somewhat helped by my awesome local library).

Date: 2012-05-10 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
It's the one reason I could never live in New Zealand. I would go mad.

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Date: 2012-05-10 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danea.livejournal.com
Does the delayed June 1 release for the eBook here in the US (at least through Amazon and BN, that I've checked so far) have anything to do with this? Or with the total fiasco with the Discount Armageddon shipping dates? Or something else entirely? We usually buy an ebook and a paper lending copy on release day so we can both read right away. :)

Date: 2012-05-10 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I have nothing to do with the delayed release; you'd need to ask Orbit.

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Date: 2012-05-10 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moth2fic.livejournal.com
Thanks for the nice clear explanation which makes more sense than other attempts at explanation I have seen! I shall just have to keep on buying the print editions of your books and justify the build-up of paper by remembering it keeps your cats fed. *g*

Date: 2012-05-11 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
To make it less clear, I've edited the entry. :P Sorry, but thank you!

Date: 2012-05-10 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-barnette.livejournal.com
Something a lot of the small e-only publishers do is buy 'Worldwide English language' rights. Since most ebooks they pick up won't ever see translations--though a few of them are making their books available for Spanish speakers--it makes sense. I have readers all over the world with my English only ebooks. I still own the rights to have the works translated into other languages, btw, and with a number of my e-only publishers, I still hold the print rights.
Edited Date: 2012-05-10 09:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-11 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Good to know!

Date: 2012-05-10 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serge-lj.livejournal.com
I've uploaded the VLC software on my laptop and it allows me to watch anything from any region. I connect my laptop to the TV and voila!

Date: 2012-05-11 02:34 pm (UTC)

May 11, 2012 Links and Plugs

Date: 2012-05-10 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] charlesatan referenced to your post from May 11, 2012 Links and Plugs (http://charlesatan.livejournal.com/836155.html) saying: [...] an McGuire on Why can't I buy ebook X outside of the US? Revisiting the territory question [...]

Date: 2012-05-11 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-norris-mous.livejournal.com
"Once again, people have started asking "Why can't people outside the US buy the e-book edition of X?" "

I think what people find annoying is that they can export a physical copy easily at a price but can't do the same for an ebook without lying and the difference between lying and downloading a book without paying for it is small.

Date: 2012-05-11 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-en-route.livejournal.com
Money actually changes hands in the case of lying (money that would never otherwise change hands if your local market is too small to ever be worth opening).

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Date: 2012-05-11 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliettedb.livejournal.com
But the solution is never going to be "sell global ebook rights to the US publisher," because if authors did that, the foreign rights market would collapse
Er, I apologise, but can I disagree with that? I don't think this is valid for the non-Anglophone part of the foreign market (ie not the UK/Aus/NZ/CAN...). There is no equivalence between an ebook being available in English and an ebook available in, say, French; because there is a translation that needs to be done from one language to the next. There is some overlap between the reading publics of both; but not as much as you might think, because those who can read in the original English will usually get the English book and not the French one. My ebooks were made available globally, and I sold foreign rights to France as well, and got translated there. I think it's a very different problem to the one you point out before, which is selling your book to an Anglophone country where no translation is needed (and having issues with imports, etc.)

In general, the territory rights is a very outdated model for the small but significant minority among us who read books in the original language (like, say, reading English books in France, or Spanish books in France). As said above, we're a minority, so there is simply no way a French publisher will ever acquire English rights for France, it's too expensive (they'd much rather pay to translate the book in French). This isn't ever rights money that you or I as authors are going to see.
But... as a reader, not being able to buy an English ebook is the equivalent of a slap on the fingers and being told you're doing something wrong, simply because you speak the wrong language within your country. I still find it utter madness that I can buy an imported physical book, but that there is no way to import ebooks?
I simply don't think the territory model is a valid one for niche markets outside the Anglophone world; and in general I think readers of English in foreign countries simply get forgotten out of that equation, which leaves a rather nasty taste in the mouth (talk about encouragement for learning a foreign language...).

(not faulting you for anything, btw! Just mildly annoyed that publishers in general don't recognise that there is a small but growing market of people who prefer their books not to come in translation. It's very... monolingual-centric, as usual)

Date: 2012-05-11 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
You have very good points. Thank you.

Date: 2012-05-11 07:48 am (UTC)
vae: (books: imagination takes flight)
From: [personal profile] vae
On another country-specific question, I'd just like to let you know that Norfolk libraries in the UK now have a paperback copy of Discount Armageddon - because they're awesome about buying requested books even if they're not available in a UK edition.

And yes, I have it at present :D

Date: 2012-05-11 02:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-11 09:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] 17catherines.livejournal.com
On a completely unrelated note, I read Discount Armageddon today, and absolutely loved it! I can tell it's going to be one of my go-to reads when I'm feeling tired or down.

(I've loved all the October Daye books, too, but this was just pure fun and delight)

love

Catherine

Date: 2012-05-11 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] jongibbs referenced to your post from Interesting posts about writing – w/e May 11th 2012 (http://jongibbs.livejournal.com/279596.html) saying: [...] amusing) posts about writing from the last week : Why can't I buy ebook X outside of the US? [...]

Date: 2012-05-11 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymurmur.livejournal.com
FWIW - I have submitted a note to Orbit through their website politely inquiring about the paper/ebook release date discrepancy. If I get a response, I will share.

Date: 2012-05-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] court clark (from livejournal.com)
I also did that but no response yet

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