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I called [livejournal.com profile] jimhines the other night to talk about some writing stuff and reviewing stuff and other such fun things we have in common. As is pretty normal when a parent is on the phone, his kids found multiple reasons to interject themselves on his side. As is pretty normal around my house, my cats found multiple reasons to interject themselves on my side—more, in fact, than his kids did. They came up to "tell" me things, either in a Siamese bray or in that odd Maine Coon half-trill half-gasp. They brought me toys and demanded I throw them or wave them in the air for cats to bat at. They were, in short, damn nuisances, and they're lucky they didn't get drop-kicked across the house. (To be very clear: I would never do that. Not unless one of them had contracted a zombie virus and was going for the other, and even then, zombie cats is probably the fastest way to take me out during the inevitable zombie apocalypse.)

I apologized, because that is what you do, and the conversation continued. A bit later Jim said, quite reasonably, "I've noticed you take your cats very seriously."

You know what? I do. My cats are cossetted and cared for, cuddled and cursed at, spoiled and sheltered, and I'm proud of that fact. Lilly and Alice are some of the sweetest, friendliest, most social cats you could ever hope to meet. When you come to my house, the cats are there, ready to greet you, ask you about yourself, and demand as much attention as they feel they can get away with. They're the WalMart greeters of the cat world. Anyone who thinks cats don't care about their people only needs to spend a little time with my cats to learn that this doesn't have to be true, and part of why they are the way they are is how seriously I take them. They are some of the most important people in my life, and it's not their fault that they don't have thumbs or speak English.

I periodically get flack over the fact that my cats are pedigreed, rather than being shelter rescues. I've actually learned to recognize that particular lecture as it gets started, since it always seems to begin with one of three or four mostly-harmless statements. My answer stays the same from lecture to lecture: I donate to the SPCA, I do shelter outreach and volunteer work when I can, and I give to private no-kill shelters. I do my part. But I lost a lot of cats when I was a kid to health conditions that are genetic, are passed through family lines, and can be anticipated if you know the cat's family history. In short, I get pedigreed cats so I can meet their grandparents and ask their breeders about the possible health problems within the line. I take my cats too seriously to deal with losing them more than once a decade. Lilly is six. With her health, and her breed profile, she'll probably be around for another ten to fifteen years. Still not enough time, but at least it's long enough that I'll probably be over Nyssa when she goes.

Mostly.

(Not everyone has had my bad luck with cats. I also grew up way below the poverty line, which made veterinary care difficult as hell to afford. That doesn't change the degree of comfort I take from saying "This is Alice, and this big puffy guy here? That's her great-grandfather, who is fat and healthy and happy and beautiful and could probably bench-press Godzilla if he had to.")

My cats are intelligent and friendly; well-behaved because it never really occurs to them that they shouldn't be; stand-offish on occasion, but far more inclined to be right up in your business, checking out whatever it is you think you're doing. Alice will follow you around the house, tail down and eyes wild, watching you for signs of mischief. Lilly will stay between you and me whenever possible, waiting for you to do something she doesn't approve. In short, my cats are individuals, and I take them as seriously as they take me.

Date: 2010-01-18 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
How can you make a post like this without pictures? I mean, honestly! ;)

Date: 2010-01-18 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I know, right?

Tragically, Alice killed my camera, and I don't have a new one yet.

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Date: 2010-01-18 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baka-kit.livejournal.com
That makes sense; it's not something I'd considered because my family has always had good luck with shelter/rescue cats.

(It doesn't feel like good luck when two cats who were adopted within a year and a half of each other are likely going to die within a few weeks of each other, but they both got to be well into their teens.)

Date: 2010-01-18 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
That's why I think the ideal number of cats is three. That way, even if you lose one, you're not down to one cat. (This is more about the mental health of the cats than the people. Lilly was distraught when Nyssa died, and I had to get her a kitten as fast as possible, just so she'd start letting me sleep again.)

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Date: 2010-01-18 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angel-vixen.livejournal.com
In short, my cats are individuals, and I take them as seriously as they take me.

I agree wholeheartedly, living as I do with two torties who consistently shock visitors with how they interact with the two-legs. And I also agree that the ideal number of cats is three, because then no one is lonely and everyone gets time to go off on their own while the action's still hoppin'. Hopefully, we'll be able to find a cat who Wants Us between our girls' ages (six and not-quite-two), who can help bring our elder cat out of her shell (a slow, but steady process) and keep the younger company.

AngelVixen :-)

Date: 2010-01-18 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Well-socialized cats are worth their weight in gold.

If you're looking to adopt an older cat, I highly recommend Siamese Rescue. Siamese often perform very poorly in shelters, because they're so social that they just get confused and upset by being caged. Siamese tend to be very easy to adapt to other cats, and very loving of their people.

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Date: 2010-01-18 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lavenderfae9.livejournal.com
Which sign of the catpocalypse is it that I've seen at least four posts today about how much we spoil our cats?

Date: 2010-01-18 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvertwi.livejournal.com
Somewhat related: have you ever heard the song "When Cats Take Over the World" by Jamie Anderson? My family thinks her songs are weird, but I love them, and that's one of my favorites.

And, Sign #3: All humans will spoil their cats, and then they will rule the world.

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When Cats Take Over the World

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Re: When Cats Take Over the World

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Date: 2010-01-18 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormsdotter.livejournal.com
I adore all animals. If it's fuzzy and remotely cute, I'll probably love it. I grew up with a rescue dog and a cat adopted from one of my stepfather's condo neighbors whose cat decided to have an expanded family.

I also am allergic to most airborne things, including pollen, pet dander, mold, etc. (I discovered this when I got to college.) I absolutely support shelters and want to do so financially when I can afford to, but I will be buying pets from breeders to ensure they will not drive my allergies crazy. I'll likely go with a Siamese and a Labrador Retriever. I know I'll get this lecture some day, and it saddens me.

Not everyone can take in a shelter animal. Many of us have physical restrictions that limit the size and nature of our pets.

But you, Seanan, you got bitten by a bloody komodo dragon in an attempt to rescue an animal. Just tell whoever is giving you crap about that incident next time. :)

P.S. I got to hear [livejournal.com profile] s00j for the first time--live--yesterday. I asked her to sign my copy of Ravens. Thank you again for supporting her and posting about the book so I'd remember to buy a copy and support artists.

Date: 2010-01-18 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazon-syren.livejournal.com
Komodo Dragon? What?

Also: Oh, gods, Ember and Choplicker. That kid...

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Date: 2010-01-18 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimhines.livejournal.com
"Anyone who thinks cats don't care about their people only needs to spend a little time with my cats to learn that this doesn't have to be true..."

Definitely. We've got three, all 13 years old, all "mutts". Flop tends to mother the kids. He used to curl up with my daughter when she was 2-3 years old. Even today if she spends the night at a friend's place, he comes up to meow at us to let us know she's not in her room.

Favorite Flop story -- we got a baby monitor for the old house, and my daughter started crying one night. Flop leapt up onto the table and started yowling at the monitor. You could see how freaked out he was; his little girl had gotten trapped inside this white plastic box!

Date: 2010-01-19 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Oh, poor Flop!

Smart cats make their own fun.

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Date: 2010-01-18 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amandapillar.livejournal.com
I was living at home when I got Saxon, and mum didn't really want me to get a cat, so she set a list of conditions: must be Burmese (not that she'd had one, she just like them), blue and a boy.

Little did she know I knew some breeders and had spent time with all their cats. I knew Saxon's mummy, she was sweet and friendly, although she nipped people she liked.

So then Saxon was born in the next litter. He met all of mum's requirements, and so 13 weeks later he came home with me. I would have been happy with a cat from a shelter, but I don't think I would have ever got one as devilish or as sweet as Saxon.

And when it came time to get Lily, I'd checked out how Burmese reacted to other cats. The ones I met didn't seem to get along with shelter kitties, and tended to have more fun with another Burmese. So off to a different breeder this time (the friend didn't breed anymore), and we found Lily. We know the health issues, tempers etc, so it was easy to fit her in, although she is more timid than Saxon.

I don't know, my cats are my kids. I love them, take care of them, and they love me. How it should be.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
That's true; once you have a pedigreed cat, you're likely to stick with them, just because they tend to get along better with cats of the same or similar breeds.

Burmese are fabulous. Do you have American or Euro standard?

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Date: 2010-01-18 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaharazad.livejournal.com
We just brought home our third cat today, and we can totally relate to what you're saying here. They are family members.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:08 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-01-18 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazon-syren.livejournal.com
"This is Alice, and this big puffy guy here? That's her great-grandfather, who is fat and healthy and happy and beautiful and could probably bench-press Godzilla if he had to."

And that? That is what I love about mainecoons.

Our kitty died at something like 18, if not older, and was a total bruiser of a bastard right up until the last year of his life. At which point he settled into indoor-curmudgeonhood with surprising good grace (entirely because my mom moved him to a different house, and he probably wasn't up to beating up an entire neighbourhood AGAIN at his time of life).

Why I'm so absurdly... proud of this fact is utterly beyond me, given that a human who behaved like that would be on my "please die in a fire" list.

But in my cat? Love him dearly. :-)

Date: 2010-01-19 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Cats don't have to follow the same rules as humans. That's part of what makes them cats, and awesome.

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Date: 2010-01-18 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] druidspell.livejournal.com
I lost a lot of cats when I was a kid to health conditions that are genetic, are passed through family lines, and can be anticipated if you know the cat's family history. In short, I get pedigreed cats so I can meet their grandparents and ask their breeders about the possible health problems within the line.
Exactly my motivation for getting pedigreed dogs--there are so many genetic disorders that you can avoid if you know the animal's family history, and when you adopt from a shelter it's impossible to know that history. I love my dog too much to not care about his pedigree.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Dogs, especially, can hide a lot of things in a cross that you get to avoid when you know their pedigree.

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Date: 2010-01-18 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archangelsmom.livejournal.com
From one ailurophile to another, you're great.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-01-18 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miintikwa.livejournal.com
We have been absurdly lucky with our shelter: two ofour four cats are siblings, and we were ae to meet the very large, very fluffy Maine Coon momma. She had already been spoken for or she'd have come home with us ;)

But one of our other kitties, we know is a Maine Coon-Egyptian Mau mix because the breeder dropped off the litter. (They are the most gorgeous kitties. I would totally start a new breed if I bred cats. ZOMG.) We have the oddest cat luck.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Wooooooow. Coon/Mau? That must be amazing.

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Date: 2010-01-18 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyamber.livejournal.com
I don't know my cat's family history, because she was a stray my husband and I adopted. We can guess at her pedigree; she talks sort of like a Siamese but loves too many way-too-high places to be anything but Tonkinese in most of her breeding. (Tonkinese, if I remember correctly, is a cross between Siamese and Burmese.) We don't know what health problems she may have, but one of the nice things about living in the rural areas of the country is the fact that veterinary care is 1) relatively easy to find, and 2) relatively inexpensive.

Sierra is loving, cuddly, obnoxious, playful, and has a bit of a temper. But she's an important member of my family, and no one's gonna tell me otherwise.

And right now, she's being a lovable spaz because we dared to leave for part of the weekend to see family. ^^;;; We sort of suspect this part of her personality's from when she lived as a stray, possibly caused by abandonment issues. But she's learning we always come back.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Yeah, past strays are a little twitchy when their people go, but it sounds like she's in wonderful hands.

Date: 2010-01-18 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysystratae.livejournal.com
All but one of our pets (dogs, cats and birds) are rescue, and we make jokes about being rescues ourselves (both previously divorced), and we volunteer with a local bird rescue - and none of the members of the rescue, including us, would ever dream of giving someone a hard time about getting a pet from a reputable breeder instead of a rescue. That's just absurd. (hell, if you want to get fussy, our oldest dog we got from a breeder sortof - a reputable breeder decided to retire, and gave all her dogs to the dachshund rescue in her area to rehome).

now getting a pet from one of the breeding mills is another story entirely.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Breeding mills are a sin and should be abolished. Honestly, if I ruled the world, it would be reputable breeders for everything, including the standard domestics, just because then, we wouldn't need the shelters as much.

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Date: 2010-01-18 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyfox7oaks.livejournal.com
"you take your cats very seriously."
...
And WHY the h%ll NOT?! Why Shouldn't we take our fur children seriously? I'm not a cat person, I'm allergic- but dogs? If I could rescue every Golden Retriever in north America - I WOULD... (I could probably start a side business selling their shed fur to knitters, but that's a different topic! :D ) Still the point stands,- Why shouldn't we take our animal Companions as seriously as we do other humans? (Or MORE!)
Sheesh... and people wonder why the planet is unbalanced.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
I don't think he meant it that way at all, honey. It was more that so many people don't take their pets seriously. If you check his comment earlier on this post, you'll see that his cats are just as much a part of his family.

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Date: 2010-01-18 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damiana-swan.livejournal.com
Of course we take our furfamily seriously--they take us (mostly) seriously, particularly when it becomes clear that we need a little more training.

And yes, I do love the fact that my daughter has the grandson of one of our cats, both of them completely adorable fluffbombs full of purr.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Purr makes everything better.

Date: 2010-01-18 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grey-lady.livejournal.com
As someone who lost one of her two rescue cats in the past month (the white one in the picture) to cancer, and nursed the other (her sister) through losing a limb to cancer quite a few years ago - yeah, I can grok.

I wouldn't have traded my time with Kosh for anything - but I do wonder if there was a genetic weakness in the 'family' that we simply could not be aware of.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Exactly. It's like...you love what you love, and I wouldn't trade my rescues for anything. But if I can avoid some of the pain, I will.

Date: 2010-01-18 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigherman.livejournal.com
I have to admit, I am totally guilty of the purebred vs. shelter-animal lecture, but the people I run into who buy their pets from a breeder don't do it for the same (perfectly valid from my POV) reasons you do.

Case in point - my friend bought a yellow lab from a breeder because he was "cute," despite the fact that one of his littermates was near-born with terrible hip dysplasia and was euthanized before he was six months old. Now she wants to breed him, because "Have you seen my dog?!" (As in, "Why WOULDN'T I breed him? He's perfect!") No matter that he's one of the stupidest dogs I've met, and/or out of control with the jumping-and-humping, performing the former in order to knock you down and accomplish the latter. And she says she'll find the puppies homes, that it wouldn't be hard. Hah! I had a friend with a German Spotter who paired with a Lab and birthed fourteen puppies, all of whom survived. Try finding a dozen homes for puppies all at the same time!

Anyways, enjoy your kitties, sorry you had such bad luck with your rescues. I will have to meet them someday after hearing all these, um, interesting tales.

Date: 2010-01-19 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
See, your friend needs to be smacked, because that's the kind of behavior that gets good breeders (and good pedigreed animals) bad reputations. There are a lot of good reasons to go to a breeder, ranging from mine (health of animals) to my friend Betsy's (she's severely allergic, and the Siberian is the only breed of cat she can live with). Even the cats at Borderlands were chosen because they keep the fur level down, and thus can live in the bookstores. It's not a zero-sum game, where the "cat slot" automatically gets filled, whether it be with a rescue or a pedigreed animal, and you know that. :) This is because you're awesome.

You should come by and meet the girls. They're fuzzy.

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Date: 2010-01-18 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supersniffles.livejournal.com
I have so many pets that I almost have to go disguised to my local pet shop, otherwise employees approach me and start telling me about the lovely pet I really must adopt.
I have 2 cats, because that's already 100% more than I'm 'allowed' to have but I refuse to leave anything mammalian home alone all day. I love them, and I spoil them and how can anyone live without cats?

Date: 2010-01-19 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazon-syren.livejournal.com
By visiting other people's cats? (That's not exactly living without though, is it... ;-)

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Date: 2010-01-18 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sheistheweather
I think it is delightful how seriously you and your cats take each other.

I miss my girl. I couldn't afford her veterinary care, and so I've vowed not to have another cat until I am stabily employed for a significant period of time and can be sure I can afford vet bills.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
If we didn't, they'd kick my ass.

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Date: 2010-01-19 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olga-theodora.livejournal.com
I, too, take my cats very seriously. My friends periodically give me hell for anthropomorphizing my animals, but they have never argued with a Maine Coon mix (I had no idea he had Maine Coon DNA when I adopted him, but boy howdy, is it obvious now).

Date: 2010-01-24 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
My cats aren't people, but they're definitely smart enough to deserve to be treated like reasonable beings. And for the most part, that works.

Date: 2010-01-19 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biguglymandoll.livejournal.com
> "my cats are individuals, and I take them as seriously as they take me."

And we - and they! - love you for it.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com
Thank you! :)

Date: 2011-02-22 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princesselwen.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, due to both the fact that my mother and sister have allergies to cats, and the fact that we have kept budgies for the past decade or so, a cat is the one pet we haven't had. I have been left to petting relatives cats. (Including one that I believe to be part Maine Coon). But as for the seriousness about pets in general, we still have that. We're serious about our dogs, (3 mutts and a pug) and our budgies, and our fish. My brother has a thing for reptiles, so we've had quite a few of those.
But I say that if I do not get a bird, when I have my own apartment, I will get a cat. Then my mom and my sister will have to take antihistamenes when they come to visit me. I love kitties, and I think yours are ADORABLE. (I love the fluff!)

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